Curse

Terrokian · May 28, 2008, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Evidence that it was 'vicious'? For all you know, it was some harsh passing remarks. Are the actual comments publicly known?

The one comment that was released was "Go kill yourself,you're useless."Certainly a harmless statement coming from your supposed boyfriend.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

She committed suicide over someone that didn't even exist or have interactions with her in real life - anything that pushed her to it was in her own mind. She was old enough to make her own choices, clearly, as she decided to kill herself. That's old enough to have the sense not to.

Not sure if I would call 13 being old enough to make your own decisions.Otherwise the legal age of consent and adulthood would be 13 and not 18.She decided to kill herself due to their provocation.

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Some responsibility has to go on the parents as well, of course.

Absolutely.Especially the parent that decided to engage in doing this to the girl.

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A major reason why the medium for the crime shouldn't be an issue, but rather the act itself.

As was mentioned earlier, this kind of thing doesn't really fall under the law - and really shouldn't. There's far too many variables - if the girl didn't commit suicide, nobody would give a damn, which means the severity of the event is determined by the victim as well. Unless it can be proven the woman specifically had pushing her to suicide as a goal, there's no crime here.

Well now the intentions of the mother daughter team that engaged in this was not the girls death,but to seek information THEN hurt her.Well they could not foresee their actions would lead to her death.So thus they are innocent of things.

Right?

If your intentions as an adult are to hurt a child what exactly are you innocent of?Be mindful here. Both mother and daughter stated THEY WANTED TO HURT HER.REVENGE FOR NASTY THINGS THIS GIRL ALLEGEDLY(because they have not proven this girl said these things)SAID ABOUT HER DAUGHTER.

Ahhhh the twist huh?Funny I don't recall the daughter of this woman suffering emotional trauma and trying to kill herself.I don't recall the daughter needing psychiatric help.Exactly how nasty were these ALLEGED things this girl said about the daughter,that would cause a parent to do what was done?

Your child is a fat ugly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO.Should a parent retaliate if another kid said that to them?You see you defend the woman and daughter saying nasty things.But you do not defend the dead girl from saying nasty things.How do you see that as being balanced?After all,the dead girl went solo in her alleged verbal assault.The other girl got her mom to help.

pumpkin pie · May 29, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Terrokian: the exact word (as told by Megan's Mother) is this

“Everybody in O’Fallon knows how you are. You are a bad person and everybody hates you. Have a shitty rest of your life. The world would be a better place without you.”

there never was a go kill yourself message.

Yuhe Ji · May 29, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Terrokian: the exact word is this

“Everybody in O’Fallon knows how you are. You are a bad person and everybody hates you. Have a shitty rest of your life. The world would be a better place without you.”

there never was a go kill yourself message.

That is still a pretty vicious comment. Parents wouldn't let that slide as a "passing comment". Taking things to heart was probably part of Megan Meier's personality. I don't think Drew should have tried to pry into her daughter's friend's life the way she did. I don't think she had malicious intent, but looking at the outcome of what she did, something had to be done.

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Drew felt this incident contributed to Megan's suicide, but she did not feel "as guilty" because at the funeral because she found out "Megan had tried to commit suicide before."

That should have been enough for Drew to know how Megan Meier was emotionally. It just isn't smart to be throwing vicious comments at someone who was probably already in a depression.

pumpkin pie · May 29, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

erm, that comments was posted by Ashley Grill (the girl who cut a deal with the DA) not Lori Drew. What I am trying to say is, don't made up things that isn't there. erm you'll get into trouble like Lori Drew if you did LOL.

Terrokian · May 30, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

The Megan Meier suicide controversy concerns the suicide of Megan Taylor Meier(November 6, 1992 – October 17, 2006),who was an American teenager from Dardenne Prairie, Missouri.

Megan participated in a number of activities, including swimming,boating, fishing,and volleyball.She had been diagnosed with attention deficit disorder and depression,and considered herself overweight.She was described by her parents as a "bubbly, goofy" girl who enjoyed spending time with her friends and family.

Soon after opening an account on MySpace,Megan received a message from a boy calling himself Josh Evans.They became online friends,but never met in person or spoke.Evans claimed to be 16 years old,and Megan thought he was attractive(if they were simply chatting why would she consider him attractive?maybe pictures were exchanged?).Megan began to exchange messages with "Evans",and was described by family as having had her "spirits lifted"(could this be because this overweight,in her opinion no one else's,insecure girl found a guy who said those things weren't true?that in reality she was attractive also?that she could really be worthy of a relationship?you tell me a single girl under the age of 30 who is secure of herself.girls sweat this kind of stuff far more than boys do).He said that he had just moved to the nearby city of O'Fallon,was home schooled,and did not yet have a phone number.The parent,Lori Drew,who created the fake account,admitted that she and her daughter had the password to the account,and characterized the fake Josh Evans to a reporter as a "joke."

On October 15, 2006,the tone of his messages changed,with Evans saying"I don't know if I want to be friends with you anymore because I've heard that you are not very nice to your friends"(ok net regs would have seen this as big red flag.seeing as you don't live in my city,how the hell do you know how I treat my friends?).Other troubling messages were sent(going to have to wait and see what these were);some of Megan's messages were shared with others(nothing like public humiliation);and bulletins were posted about her(hmmm let's make a post about how you FAIL).After telling her mother,Christina "Tina" Meier,about the increasing number of hurtful messages,the two got into an argument over the vulgar language Megan used in response to the messages(nothing like your parent chewing you out for attempting to defend yourself,furthering the accusations you just got done attempting to defend against.talk about adding validity to what just got said.oh wait a second you just tried to defend yourself against "The world would be a better place without you" also known as "go kill yourself")and she did not log off when her mother told her to.After the argument,Megan ran upstairs to her room.She was found twenty minutes later,hanging by the neck in a closet.Despite attempts to revive her,she was pronounced dead the following day.According to Ronald Meier (Megan's father)and a female neighbor who had discussed the hoax with Lori Drew,the last message sent by Evans read:"The world would be a better place without you." Investigators did not find a record of this message.(wait a second,people are claiming this as a quote as to what the last message was.investigators are saying there is no proof that it was the exact last message.wow.would appreciate if you people here would stop quoting that as the"gospel"of what was said.)

To jump off the facts here for a second,let's discuss "The world would be a better place without you."There are 2 ways to achieve this.#1 Move to some place where no other human being can ever hope to contact you(think deep in the amazon or maybe australian outback.# 2 Kill yourself.)Now your 13 years old.Which option can you REALISTICALLY choose?Now I know some of you may attempt to twist that into "that was not what was meant",but be realistic.THAT was exactly said as it was meant.Furthermore Ashley Grills who has claimed to be the one typing all the nasty messages was an employee of Lori Drews.She also has made a deal with federal prosecutors for immunity in exchange for testimony on what her boss/employer Lori Drews had her do.After all if you will not do this you will be fired is the RUMOR.(note on that I did say it was a rumor not a fact.we will simply have to wait for the trial to see what was actually said).

Due to the vehement public reaction,police added additional patrols to the neighborhood,and the Drews installed security cameras and recording devices on their roof.Angry neighbors complained that"there's never been any sense of remorse or public apology from the Drews,no"maybe we made a mistake".According to Lori Drew's attorney,she has had to close her advertising business in the wake of the controversy and the Drews will probably be unable to continue to live in the neighborhood.Jack Banas said the Drews' daughter,now 15,is attending a different school and is not currently living in Dardenne Prairie.He said Lori Drew was fearful of telling him where her daughter lives.

Once again to jump off topic.Why hide your daughter?Afraid some people know how to use the internet and will now hunt her?Come on it's just TEH INTERWEBZ!Why can't we be "playful" with her?After all who can die by something off the internet?Perhaps she isn't strong enough to face us?Or perhaps you are not strong enough to face an adult coming after your child?If what you claim to be a "joke" is so funny,give us your daughter!We want to have fun too!Nothing like a good laugh.

Jack Banas,the prosecuting attorney of St. Charles County said he was aware of the national outrage against the Drews,which originated on the Internet in response to the Steve Pokin article in the O'Fallon Journal.The Drews have had their home and work addresses,phone and cell numbers,and aerial photos of their home posted on the Internet.The Drews property had also been vandalized.He described Lori Drew as"upset,cautious and guarded"when he interviewed her(now if you wanted the truth about what you were doing to be out there,why be guarded about what you say?why be cautious?it was nothing but a joke right?).Jack Banas said that Lori Drew felt"terrible"about Megan’s death.(why feel terrible?you did nothing wrong.it was just a joke after all.)

The Board of Aldermen for the City of Dardenne Prairie, passed an ordinance on 22 November 2007,in response to the incident.The ordinance prohibits any harassment that utilizes an electronic medium, including the Internet, text messaging services,pagers,and similar devices.Violations of the ordinance are treated as misdemeanors,with fines of up to $500 and up to 90 days imprisonment.The city of Florissant, Missouri also passed a"Cyber Harassment"law,with other municipalities,counties,and states considering following suit.The state of Missouri is to revise its harassment laws in response to the case,updating them to cover harassment through computers and mobile phone messaging,and creating a new crime to cover adults 21 and over harassing children under the age of eighteen.

A federal grand jury indicted Lori Drew on May 15,2008,on three counts of accessing protected computers without authorization to obtain information to inflict emotional distress,and one count of criminal conspiracy.A penalty of up to five years in prison corresponds to each of the four counts that the indictment carries.The case has caused several jurisdictions to consider legislation prohibiting harassment over the internet.Prosecutors charged Drew with violating MySpace's terms of use because of using a fictitious name,therefore giving her no authority to access MySpace.Because the prosecution is based on a violation of a web site agreement,it gives a business contract the same power as the law.Which has been standard law practice for 200+years.

Definition of conspiracy-A person is guilty of conspiracy with another person or persons to commit a crime if with the intent of promoting or facilitating its commission he or she:

1. agrees with such other person or persons that they or one or more of them will engage in conduct which constitutes such crime or an attempt or solicitation to commit such crime; or
2. agrees to aid such other person or persons in the planning or commission of such crime or of an attempt or solicitation to commit such crime.

This is why Ashley Grills cut the deal.Lori Drews is fornicated over several facts.Why go to jail with her?Also because this ADULT(she was 18 at the time of this)REALIZES what they(her and Lori Drews)did was wrong.Now the false Josh Evans WAS a crime(sorry suck that up and live with it.when you agree to terms in a EULA or onsite EULA you have entered a legal business contract.it's not a joke.you LEGALLY agreed to their terms.did you honestly believe that when push came to shove with your fake crap that resulted in harm,they would NOT turn you over to save their own profits/skins?more the FOOL you).But what is even sweeter is those under 18s that think "well I'm a minor you can't touch me".That mentality shows you are adult enough to try and figure out a way of dodging the consequences of what you have down.Ergo you have proved you are adult enough to face your actions in court with adult terms of punishment applied.People adore running under the"I'm behind a computer screen go fornicate yourself"attitude.About time that people have stated that no longer will your anonymity be excusable.If you can't do this in someones face,don't think hiding behind a computer screen will save you.But therein lies the true pain doesn't it?Those that argue"let the woman go"and"this is not a crime"are probably the most likely to enjoy online cyber-antics.The ones that adore being nasty online,due to the fact they do not have to face up to what they say,seem to be the largest group saying this is BS.Nor would they say in a face to face confrontation what they spew over the internet.IMO bout time we started saying "Time to hunt you down".

Now for those that keep stating I am not producing the facts.I am distorting what is going on.I RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING DARE YOU to dispute what I just stated.Those ARE the facts.

pumpkin pie · May 30, 2008, 08:19 AM // 08:19

read the police report

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...072megan1.html

i am now looking for the police report after they dig up stuffs from the computer, couldn't find it, should have kept the link in my the quick note, i'll post a link to it later, mean while if you can and are interested maybe you should read what Lori Drew have to say. but that's also from "un-confirm" source

here's the indictment, i think the messages were at the last few pages if not mistakekn, i can't load pdf file as i've stop all script so. if you are interested, click the read the indictment pdf link.

There's also a very important point that no one seem to take into consideration. the day Megan Meier hang herself, Lori Drew was not at home - hence not even near the computer sending messages. go figures.

If Lori Drews indictment goes thru and she is found guilty, I probably can't come onto this forum as pumpkin pie anymore. :P~ go figures, or if you are interested read this

Terrokian · May 30, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

I posted from the police and fbi report files as to what happened.Lori Drews was not at home because it became apparent she had her employee do it.Lori set up the initial fake account.Lori started the relationship.Lori commanded the verbal attacks.And investigators have discovered THOSE are the facts.

Like I stated earlier.Get rid of this pig.

Like I also stated earlier,where's YOUR daughter?If this is all so innocent then let us have at her.What harm could come from it?

Terrokian · May 30, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

The indictment contends they committed or aided in a dozen "overt acts" that were illegal, including using a photograph of a boy that was posted without his knowledge or permission.

They used "Josh" to flirt with Megan, telling her she was "sexi," the indictment charged.

Around Oct., 7, 2006, Megan was told "Josh" was moving away, prompting the girl to write: "aww sexi josh ur so sweet if u moved back u could see me up close and personal lol."

Several days later, "Josh" urged the girl to call and added: "i love you so much."

Mindful of yourself.This is a GROWN WOMAN saying these things to a 13 year old girl.

Sorry to say this woman is not only NOT innocent of the charges against her,she is also guilty of pedophilia to a degree.She engaged in a ROMANTIC relation with this girl.

Now I realize no physical contact occurred,but I will be damned,you DID speak to Megan in a COMPLETELY INNAPROPRIATE manner.This girl BELIEVED she was having a relationship with a boy.

Now if a 48 year old woman playing romance with a 13 year old girl seems right to you,by all means post and say so.

I can't wait for her to get 20 years in prison.That way she can make romantic calls on her fellow inmates who will also be female and mature enough to give this woman the LOVE she deserves.

As for her daughter?Fair game and just compensation.Why?It has come out that Lori Drews KNEW of Megan's mental condition and PLANNED to use it against her.

I believe this pretty much concludes ANY defense for this woman even being imagined by anyone.Fry this pig!

quickmonty · May 30, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

We still have judicial process in the U.S.A I'll wait to hear what the jury has to say. I seriously doubt they will

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Fry this pig!

Terrokian · May 30, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

My daughter would chew you up, spit you out and piss on your remains.

Not really.

#1 I don't target underage anything.
#2 The net doesn't phase my hiney one iota.The reason being is the anonymity of it.Free speech without the repercussions.After all.Why be responsible for what you say?
#3 I am a veteran of Grenada and Libya(no bs).If Communists and Muslims couldn't "chew me up and spit me out" wtf makes you think your daughter will succeed?
#4 Girls can't piss standing up.Well they can but it dribbles down there legs.And surely you are not offering to have your daughter squat over me?

quickmonty · May 30, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

#1 She is no longer underage.
#2 Kind of goes against all your arguing so far.
#3 She has already kicked butt of "manly men" like yourself.
#4 They can, and it would be over your unconcious body.

#5 You have no idea who my daughter is, but I will tell you that no man messes with her.

Terrokian · May 30, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

#1 She is no longer underage.
#2 Kind of goes against all your arguing so far.
#3 She has already kicked butt of "manly men" like yourself.
#4 They can, and it would be over your unconcious body.

#5 You have no idea who my daughter is, but I will tell you that no man messes with her.

well good deal,but wtf does this have to do with what we WERE discussing?

As a side note.Does your daughter also have chest hair?

Another side note.These "manly men" who she has so obviously destroyed(we all saw the videos or news reports or something) weighed over 100 lbs right?

Final side note.How does your daughter(who is 18+) go against what was done to a 13 year old(my posts)?Wait a second don't tell me.At 13 years old your daughter could kick the crap out of any person she met.Hmmmm care sharing what your smoking?

Terrokian · May 30, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

#2 Kind of goes against all your arguing so far.

Almost forgot,you missed the sarcasm.-1 for you.

quickmonty · May 30, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Terrokian

Almost forgot,you missed the sarcasm.-1 for you.

And so did you

Sorry for going off topic but your arguments were just getting too repetitive and absurd and I couldn't resist the urge to troll.

Kerwyn Nasilan · May 30, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

I would like to point out the fact the girl was DEPRESSED, and if she was WHY DID HER PARENT LEAVE HER ALONE AFTER SOMEONE "elegedly" told her to kill herself and she was crying then beat her down more?

I do not think that Drew is innocent I do not think that that the girls parents are innocent, I DO think that there is no LEGAL standpoint here. And if anything it is not Homicide. It is the breach of EULA and False information, or some degree of Fraud,

I don't think any fully functional person would commit suicide over a fake boyfriend breaking up. But I am not a girl, or depressed. And if I killed myself everytime someone made me feel like shit I would be about 600 feet under right now. And to be honest I would like to say "darwinism FTW" and it is true. She was "sick", and the sick do not survive.

I don't think this should force us to give up the anoimity that we so enjoy on the internet, nor do I think the government should have any control over it unless is pertins to NATIONAL security, which I beleive they already can with the Patriot act. And to comment on the "it would save people like her, I can guarantee more people are dying from more pressing matters, and to the "terrorists", I would like to say what I say to gun control, criminlas will get there anonimity or guns regardless, it only hurts the law abiding citizens.

My 2 cents on whole topic.

Terrokian · May 30, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

And so did you

Sorry for going off topic but your arguments were just getting too repetitive and absurd and I couldn't resist the urge to troll.

LOl actually +2 for you and yeah they were.It took awhile for this to all really break out.So much was kept from the general public.

Honestly I personally feel that children are sacred and this is the number one contributing factor to my hatred for this woman.I wish we could kill her.I find what she did an abomination.I honestly want to hear her squeals of pain.

I have a son Kevin who lately has turned 18 and joined the Navy(save gay jokes).He wanted to follow in my footsteps of being a Marine,but I kind of forbade that(I know,I know he was free to make his own choice,but I remembered what I went through and he is my ONLY child).

To a point I cannot even IMAGINE what I would feel if this happened to my son.I can't honestly say what I would do.I am heavily armed(peace through superior firepower is a marine motto).I'm not a freak.I'm not a survival nut.But I do believe in defending what is right.And honestly what this woman did WAS NOT RIGHT.

I simply cannot and will not condone an adults actions vs a child.

If you haven't noticed I'm rather vehement in the Bill Henson thread.There is simply no reason art or otherwise of naked 12-13 year old girls.Period.

So after all this ranting if my position on things has caused offense,I apologize.

pumpkin pie · May 31, 2008, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Terrokian, your views are your own, and doesn't cause offense. It is your views. and I also agree what Lori Drew did was immoral. I did not know you are a parent, now I know why you are so angry regarding this case.

If you have read the "unconfirm" link I've provided, reasons i provided the link is sort of a question asking why do you believe one source and not the other, its very simple, because Megan killed herself if she hadn't it would simply be a case of one cyberbully being bully by another cyberbully. (in my views).

If my unconfirm link holds more truth then your unconfirm link, don't you think, just think, like you yourself said, "To a point I cannot even IMAGINE what I would feel if this happened to my son." Lori Drew said Megan was attacking her daughter online and she has ask Ms Grills to set up the account so that she can monitor if her daughter is been attack, and as a parent you cannot see what drove Lori Drew to want to protect her daughter?

This is a case of 2 parents letting their underage daughters create MySpace accounts, one being over protective (Lori Drew) hence fail, another said she would monitor her Daughter but fail badly (Tina Meier)

Mystery as to why the Meiers would have a divorce after their daughter committed suicide. (I know a tragedy would bring about lots of other events) My theory is they blame each other for not monitoring their child MySpace activities. One was in the house, one went to do something else prior to Megan committing suicide, both were in the house when the suicide took place, they were not monitoring their child activity on MySpace. Hence "unresolved differences". And if you also remember your unconfirm source, the first few paragraphs, what Megan put in her MySpace account for N in her name Megan, it was Neglected. Why? have you ever ask? Who neglected her? If that account was monitored, a caring parent would have ask what that meant. But we will never know, seemed like Megan was right, she was neglected. Conclusion, she was a victim of bad parenting.

If somehow somewhere, someone do have proofs that Lori Drew did actually have bad intentions and not because she wanted to protect her own child, and that the Meiers did actually protect Megan like they said they would I then will be standing beside you Terrokian.

Terrokian · May 31, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

Lori's intentions at first seem to be one thing,then reports have it changing.At best guess she started out "protecting/overseeing attacks" on her daughter.But then she slid of the deep end.The full details of the "relationship" Lori developed with Megan being the fake Josh has been very tight lipped.I have a feeling this will play a major point in her trial.

Another point I have a problem with was the revelation of Tina and Megan having an argument after Megan explained how things were going.Mom waited 20 minutes,then went to check on Megan.Seriously it only takes 6 minutes of lack of oxygen to kill you(2-4 minutes to knock you out 6minutes+ to cause brain damage).But to think that you need to check your child every 6 minutes to make sure they aren't killing themselves is a little bit ludicrous.However maybe Tina could have resolved this argument better.

And of course finally Lori's knowledge of Megan's condition and her admission of using it against her once she made her decision to do harm.I think something is being very guarded about this and the reason for that is Gills.Fed prosecutors don't cut immunity deals over nothing.That girl knows something very damning to Lori.Perhaps Motivation or Intent is my guess.

Dante the Warlord · May 31, 2008, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Well, Lori Drew is a middle-aged mother. A MIDDLE - AGED MOTHER... This is wrong on so many levels because not only is she breaking into her daughter's privacy, she also used this account to kill one of her kid's friends, obviously not directly, but she should have never barged into her child's life like that. Now, reportedly she did say things to lead to the death of the girl. She definately needs to have some responsibility, along with the other anonymous people sharing that account. I feel that because of her age, she honestly should have been more mature. I would definitely understand a 13 year old, really any teenager, doing that. But the mother was 49, and she raised a child of her own, probably understanding the terrible days her child had and what caused it. Im assuming she was a typical mother, since she knew one of her daughter's friends. She should be more understanding then that, instead of picking on a little girl to the point of suicide. What i would like to know is who the other memebers of the account were and what they might of said.

Now even though this is the internet, there is a lot of people everywhere cyber bullying, but people have no idea what degree the target is affected. The recipient has no idea if this guy or girl is having a light-hearted or humorous intent. The same thing works on the other end where the sender may not understand how the person is going to react. People need to understand that not everyone is like them and depending on their region and culture, the slightest change in words makes all the difference, even age makes the difference. I admit, three years ago when i came on this forum, i didn't really understand this forum, when some of the people here were really kind to me, there were a lot more who bashed and I didn't understand at all because i was too young to understand (i changed a lot in a few years).

Now bullies in general don't really care for the well being of others. They gain self esteem by taking it from others, instead of making it themselves through productive sports... The same thing applies to cyber-bullies, and even more so because of the anonymity.

The internet is a powerful tool that anyone can access, but when direct communication, such as on forums or insant messaging occurs there is a lot of irresponsibility. The accessibility of the internet is far to easy to have. Its never monitored and people are too anonymous, they never have to actually see the person they are ridiculing and they are never witnessing the damage they have done to those people. Nor does the person understand where they are coming from, the appearance of the person, or the intent.

I could go rambling on about the issue, mainly because i find it interesting that an adult would choose a little girl as her target. But the fact remains, a girl died because a mother was irresponsible with her actions.

pumpkin pie · May 31, 2008, 03:07 AM // 03:07

Terrokian, it may be true that one cannot monitor a child every 6 minutes on a daily normal basis. But must keep in mind those are not normal circumstances. They should not have left her alone under those circumstances.